tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20483025.post8925792184070118340..comments2023-10-28T10:40:36.246-05:00Comments on Without Authority: Is There Freedom in Heaven?Thomas Adamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16168017369500841150noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20483025.post-9182715128364361142007-02-08T01:58:00.000-06:002007-02-08T01:58:00.000-06:00Yours still does not answer the question of why Go...Yours still does not answer the question of why God did not make a renewed Creation on Earth. Seven days were not enough? Was the flood not a second chance?<BR/><BR/>If there is going to be any renewed creation, it will be by human hands, and it will have nothing to do with God. Our own creativity and our capacity to learn and nourish it is enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20483025.post-28193520366764346072006-12-29T16:04:00.000-06:002006-12-29T16:04:00.000-06:00It seems he makes several other errors. First, if...It seems he makes several other errors. First, if freedom necessitates ability to fall then either 1) God is not free, or 2) God can sin. It seems that it is presumptous to say the idea of God is incoherent because of this, so most likely his understanding of freedom is either imprecise or not the only one possible.<br /><br />Second, he asks why if there is heaven God didn't just make earth heaven. The fact is, he did. What is heaven aside from the place where God is? Do we not confess "God became incarnate from the Virgin Mary and was made man"? Do we not continue to ear the flesh and drink the blood of this Man who is God? Are we not ourselves living members of this man who is God? Why then is everything so bad here? It isn't. Peace on Earth. By the life of Christ evil is conquered. Not merely sin, but all evil, all suffering is made good. Why do we remain here on earth? That we may be Christs.Colin Clouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11836100534647181995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20483025.post-25223094981802499902006-12-22T10:16:00.000-06:002006-12-22T10:16:00.000-06:00Interestingly, Origen held that there could be a s...Interestingly, Origen held that there could be a series of falls and redemptions due to creaturely freedom, but with a final consummation at the very end of time. Similar in some ways to certain Hindu views.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02047956333181611381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20483025.post-19667219189511550672006-12-20T07:04:00.000-06:002006-12-20T07:04:00.000-06:00Thuloid – You’re absolutely right: “retain” was a ...Thuloid – You’re absolutely right: “retain” was a poor choice of words. What I meant to say was that we will still possess freedom, although we will be liberated from the sinful freedom we currently have. As you point out, the model of such “liberated freedom” is the life of our Savior, in which our eschatological destiny has already been revealed.Thomas Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16168017369500841150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20483025.post-48456070387569501112006-12-18T23:53:00.000-06:002006-12-18T23:53:00.000-06:00One point to make on this matter (one you're no do...One point to make on this matter (one you're no doubt aware of)--there's a highly significant sense in which certain Christian thinkers (say, Luther) have held that what is being called a state of "creaturely freedom" is in fact bondage. We are ruled by sin. <br /><br />In this view, true creaturely freedom comes in Christ; so here the distinction between creature and creator is upheld and even uplifted as we properly inhabit the roles we are made for. We don't look to <i>retain</i> our creaturely freedom but to regain it in Christ. The consummation of this is the point of our eschatology (and I think the Pannenberg statement is heading in precisely this direction).<br /><br />Wood, like the rest of the world, errs by calling bondage freedom and freedom bondage. Big shock there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com